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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://turningpoints.iomaire.com/index.php/2009/03/09/populism-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main stream media is widely scorned by the right wing populists as &quot;liberal&quot; when in fact it is quite conservative - that is why Dick Cheney is being given a microphone.  His comments about Obama creating a climate in which the United States will suffer another attack from terrorists is red meat to the followers of the Republican Noise Machine.  If you read Hitchens&#039; essay again, pay particular attention to these sentences: &quot;The elite, as happens in all such moments of confusion, revolt and social chaos, will probably be forced to make an uncomfortable alliance with right-wing populists if they want to survive. The center of the political spectrum will melt.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main stream media is widely scorned by the right wing populists as &#8220;liberal&#8221; when in fact it is quite conservative &#8211; that is why Dick Cheney is being given a microphone.  His comments about Obama creating a climate in which the United States will suffer another attack from terrorists is red meat to the followers of the Republican Noise Machine.  If you read Hitchens&#8217; essay again, pay particular attention to these sentences: &#8220;The elite, as happens in all such moments of confusion, revolt and social chaos, will probably be forced to make an uncomfortable alliance with right-wing populists if they want to survive. The center of the political spectrum will melt.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sat on the plane next to a 70 year old Jewish Democrat Lawyer and we talked about this and more. It was a fulfilling conversation that gave me hope.  

Off topic (maybe): Why are they giving Dick Cheney a microphone when he should likely be in jail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sat on the plane next to a 70 year old Jewish Democrat Lawyer and we talked about this and more. It was a fulfilling conversation that gave me hope.  </p>
<p>Off topic (maybe): Why are they giving Dick Cheney a microphone when he should likely be in jail?</p>
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		<title>By: Debi Kelly Van Cleave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debi Kelly Van Cleave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only everyone could be like Beth. She is an excellent example of what the religious folks should strive to be--she has great faith, but she&#039;s willing to think and she&#039;s not hateful. Those are qualities that would make people who are not religious, a little more understanding. And perhaps sign up!

Though I have to say I think the people who are not religious know quite well how important religion is to the Right--how could we not? Just look at Proposition 8 out in California for one example--people rabid about taking away someone else&#039;s rights because of religious reasons. Or all the fights about prayers in public buildings. It&#039;s endless. Even my own personal incident about the secretary of the horse club telling me I&#039;m not welcome in the club because of my article, &quot;How Sarah Palin Turned Me off Religion.&quot; Believe me, we KNOW how strongly religious people feel. And it&#039;s causing some people to feel defensive. Which doesn&#039;t help the cause.

www.GreenerPastures--ACityGirlGoesCountry.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only everyone could be like Beth. She is an excellent example of what the religious folks should strive to be&#8211;she has great faith, but she&#8217;s willing to think and she&#8217;s not hateful. Those are qualities that would make people who are not religious, a little more understanding. And perhaps sign up!</p>
<p>Though I have to say I think the people who are not religious know quite well how important religion is to the Right&#8211;how could we not? Just look at Proposition 8 out in California for one example&#8211;people rabid about taking away someone else&#8217;s rights because of religious reasons. Or all the fights about prayers in public buildings. It&#8217;s endless. Even my own personal incident about the secretary of the horse club telling me I&#8217;m not welcome in the club because of my article, &#8220;How Sarah Palin Turned Me off Religion.&#8221; Believe me, we KNOW how strongly religious people feel. And it&#8217;s causing some people to feel defensive. Which doesn&#8217;t help the cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More good points.  I don&#039;t know if there is a solution to the problem of elitism on the left.  Because most on the left are secular humanists and likely don&#039;t attend church on a regular basis, the idea that faith could be important to a group of people is likely quite foreign to them.  There are initiatives being made by some on the left (Rabbi Michael Lerner, for one) to reach out, but those initiatives aren&#039;t many.  It is quite a problem and one that increases (because of the vacuum) the power of the demagogues on the right.  Chris Hedges even addresses the issue in one of the closing statements of his essay, when he writes, &quot;[i]f left-wing populists do not rapidly build local organizations, as was done in Vermont, to compete with the right-wing populism of the Christian right, the most dangerous mass movement in American history, they will be easily swept aside.&quot;  Given the fractious nature of those on the left, I don&#039;t see much evidence (or chance) of this happening.  I don&#039;t have many answers, just lots of concerns and questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More good points.  I don&#8217;t know if there is a solution to the problem of elitism on the left.  Because most on the left are secular humanists and likely don&#8217;t attend church on a regular basis, the idea that faith could be important to a group of people is likely quite foreign to them.  There are initiatives being made by some on the left (Rabbi Michael Lerner, for one) to reach out, but those initiatives aren&#8217;t many.  It is quite a problem and one that increases (because of the vacuum) the power of the demagogues on the right.  Chris Hedges even addresses the issue in one of the closing statements of his essay, when he writes, &#8220;[i]f left-wing populists do not rapidly build local organizations, as was done in Vermont, to compete with the right-wing populism of the Christian right, the most dangerous mass movement in American history, they will be easily swept aside.&#8221;  Given the fractious nature of those on the left, I don&#8217;t see much evidence (or chance) of this happening.  I don&#8217;t have many answers, just lots of concerns and questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff.  When I spoke of the left being elitist and perhaps contemptuous of our faith, I wasn&#039;t referring specifically to Chris Hedges---I actually meant the left in general.  If the left wants to reach some of those who are drawn to the Religious Right, they must recognize and respect how important their faith is to them.  Also, I wasn&#039;t seeking to absolve those who would join the Religious Right movement---I was just saying that many of them are people that I love and care about, so I can&#039;t say that I&#039;m personally repulsed by them.  But I am greatly repulsed by the leaders of the Religious Right who would exploit my friends&#039; fears and their lack of sophistication to gain political power and, even worse, do it all in the name of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff.  When I spoke of the left being elitist and perhaps contemptuous of our faith, I wasn&#8217;t referring specifically to Chris Hedges&#8212;I actually meant the left in general.  If the left wants to reach some of those who are drawn to the Religious Right, they must recognize and respect how important their faith is to them.  Also, I wasn&#8217;t seeking to absolve those who would join the Religious Right movement&#8212;I was just saying that many of them are people that I love and care about, so I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m personally repulsed by them.  But I am greatly repulsed by the leaders of the Religious Right who would exploit my friends&#8217; fears and their lack of sophistication to gain political power and, even worse, do it all in the name of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, Beth, you&#039;ve made some very thoughtful comments.  I wish that there were many more of you out there in blog-land!  I was concerned enough about your reaction to what Hedges says about the &quot;Christian right&quot; to click on that link and copy and paste the following from his essay:

&quot;The radical Christian right has no religious legitimacy.  It is a mass political movement. It is interchangeable, in many ways, with other traditional political movements ranging from fascism to communism to the ethnic nationalist parties in the former Yugoslavia.  It shares with these movements an inability to cope with ambiguity, doubt and uncertainty.  It also embraces a world of miracles and signs and makes war on rational, reality-based thought.  It condemns self-criticism and debate as apostasy.  It places a premium on action.  It dismisses those who do not bow down before its god—and the leaders who claim to speak for God—as heretics and traitors.  This movement shares with corporatists, who are busy cannibalizing our society for profit, the belief that there are a chosen few who know the truth and therefore have the right to impose it.  The citizen, the individual, no longer has any legitimacy in this new world.  All legitimacy is assumed by groups, whether they are corporate groups herding us over the cliff of globalization or religious groups that give popular vent to corporate-generated despair through faith in the Christian utopia.  In this paradigm—corporate and religious—we become disempowered, afraid, passive and easily manipulated.&quot;

I think the most important sentence in this snippet of Hedges&#039; essay are these: &quot;The radical Christian right has no religious legitimacy.&quot;  I doubt very much that Hedges has made or would make a negative comment about Christianity - he is speaking here of a mass movement that does not think and endorses a course of dangerous action.  While I don&#039;t doubt that the people you know who you guess you would call followers of the Religious Right philosophy are fine people, so were many of the followers of Hitler, Jim Jones, David Duke, Joe McCarthy, Father Coughlin, Huey Long, George Wallace, and hundreds of other demagogues who would so blithely oppress and victimize those who they deem enemies.   When people don&#039;t think critically and follow demagogues of the left or right, there is trouble ahead.  It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with uncritically following a leader.  You must be very clear in understanding that any movement is composed of its members.  You cannot absolve a movement of its guilt by excusing the actions of its members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, Beth, you&#8217;ve made some very thoughtful comments.  I wish that there were many more of you out there in blog-land!  I was concerned enough about your reaction to what Hedges says about the &#8220;Christian right&#8221; to click on that link and copy and paste the following from his essay:</p>
<p>&#8220;The radical Christian right has no religious legitimacy.  It is a mass political movement. It is interchangeable, in many ways, with other traditional political movements ranging from fascism to communism to the ethnic nationalist parties in the former Yugoslavia.  It shares with these movements an inability to cope with ambiguity, doubt and uncertainty.  It also embraces a world of miracles and signs and makes war on rational, reality-based thought.  It condemns self-criticism and debate as apostasy.  It places a premium on action.  It dismisses those who do not bow down before its god—and the leaders who claim to speak for God—as heretics and traitors.  This movement shares with corporatists, who are busy cannibalizing our society for profit, the belief that there are a chosen few who know the truth and therefore have the right to impose it.  The citizen, the individual, no longer has any legitimacy in this new world.  All legitimacy is assumed by groups, whether they are corporate groups herding us over the cliff of globalization or religious groups that give popular vent to corporate-generated despair through faith in the Christian utopia.  In this paradigm—corporate and religious—we become disempowered, afraid, passive and easily manipulated.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the most important sentence in this snippet of Hedges&#8217; essay are these: &#8220;The radical Christian right has no religious legitimacy.&#8221;  I doubt very much that Hedges has made or would make a negative comment about Christianity &#8211; he is speaking here of a mass movement that does not think and endorses a course of dangerous action.  While I don&#8217;t doubt that the people you know who you guess you would call followers of the Religious Right philosophy are fine people, so were many of the followers of Hitler, Jim Jones, David Duke, Joe McCarthy, Father Coughlin, Huey Long, George Wallace, and hundreds of other demagogues who would so blithely oppress and victimize those who they deem enemies.   When people don&#8217;t think critically and follow demagogues of the left or right, there is trouble ahead.  It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with uncritically following a leader.  You must be very clear in understanding that any movement is composed of its members.  You cannot absolve a movement of its guilt by excusing the actions of its members.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, when I say I am &quot;almost repulsed&quot; by the Religious Right, I mean the movement, not necessarily the people. In fact, I know people who I guess I would call followers of the Religious Right philosophy, and they are fine people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, when I say I am &#8220;almost repulsed&#8221; by the Religious Right, I mean the movement, not necessarily the people. In fact, I know people who I guess I would call followers of the Religious Right philosophy, and they are fine people.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Jeff---Chris Hedges is a very perceptive writer, and this is a very sobering read.  I think he&#039;s right, but I also think that those on the left are still not comprehending that they so often come across to us blue-collar types as elitist and perhaps even contemptuous of us and our Christian faith.  As a Christian myself, I am actually almost repulsed by the Religious Right, but I can see why so many of my fellow blue-collar friends are drawn to them.  The left, the Progressives, must come down off their intellectual high horses and seek to truly understand our lives and why we think and feel as we do, rather than scoffing (or seeming to scoff) at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Jeff&#8212;Chris Hedges is a very perceptive writer, and this is a very sobering read.  I think he&#8217;s right, but I also think that those on the left are still not comprehending that they so often come across to us blue-collar types as elitist and perhaps even contemptuous of us and our Christian faith.  As a Christian myself, I am actually almost repulsed by the Religious Right, but I can see why so many of my fellow blue-collar friends are drawn to them.  The left, the Progressives, must come down off their intellectual high horses and seek to truly understand our lives and why we think and feel as we do, rather than scoffing (or seeming to scoff) at it.</p>
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